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 Post subject: Re: Question about D&D
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:09 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Question about D&D
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:35 pm 
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I think the ‘testing’ theory not only explains why they were released but also why it was done as you say in such a cryptic way.

Yes, indeed the 'testing theory' explains very well the question but, if we assume that a reprogrammed Cameron performed the testing, Derek realized everything is happened to him as soon as he saw Cameron. So why he continued to trust future John? :?:

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 Post subject: Re: Question about D&D
PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:56 am 
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Dave_E wrote:
I think the ‘testing’ theory not only explains why they were released but also why it was done as you say in such a cryptic way.

Yes, indeed the 'testing theory' explains very well the question but, if we assume that a reprogrammed Cameron performed the testing, Derek realized everything is happened to him as soon as he saw Cameron. So why he continued to trust future John? :?:


If he didn’t know when Cameron had been captured and scrubbed he would still have no reason to think Cameron had been working on John’s orders all along. If you trust your leader you wouldn’t expect him to do something like that anyway.

Back in the present day Cameron evades the issue by saying she can not remember what happened before she was scrubbed (Allison from Palmdale shows this to be a lie). Derek never talks about what happened, possibly out of guilt/shame and also possibly to avoid revealing that he knew Andy Good/Billy Wisher’s secret (I think at this point he had not admitted to Sarah he shot Andy). So as nether Derek or Cameron discuss the events in D&D nobody in the present is likely to figure out what if any part future John had in the events or why the prisoners were just released.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about D&D
PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:51 am 
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If he didn’t know when Cameron had been captured and scrubbed he would still have no reason to think Cameron had been working on John’s orders all along. If you trust your leader you wouldn’t expect him to do something like that anyway.

Hmmm, yes you're right, it could be the case. In fact, when Derek returns to the camp, as soon as he saw Cameron he shout: "Metal!" and then probably John never told him WHEN he scrubbed her.

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Back in the present day Cameron evades the issue by saying she can not remember what happened before she was scrubbed (Allison from Palmdale shows this to be a lie).

Well, it's possible that isn't a lie, I mean, it's possible that she cannot voluntarily access to pre-scrubbed data but since the car explosion something sometime leaks out.

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I think at this point he had not admitted to Sarah he shot Andy

Yes, but Sarah was however able to figure it out (when she went in the bathroom while he was taking a shower).

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 Post subject: Re: Question about D&D
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Hmm. You know, all this talk about scrubbing memory and accessing "deleted" data reminds me, if you delete something from a hard drive for example, in most cases the data is actually still there. The "index" markers (you can think of them as flags which help the computer to find files) are simply removed. The data isn't truly gone until some new data is saved to the same space, in which case the new data replaces the old data. So, maybe that's what it is? Cameron still has the data in there, somewhere. However, I don't think it's a very good explanation since it's possible to delete data securely by writing gibberish data over the entire memory, so that the old data is irretrievable. I would assume that someone in the future, especially someone who is supposed to be very technically capable like John to be smart enough to do this. So perhaps John didn't really scrub her as you have suggested, or maybe there is some other explanation for Cameron's "memories".


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 Post subject: Re: Question about D&D
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Well in an episode she told that John has scrubbed her... but maybe she was lying (we know that she lies). ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Question about D&D
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:17 pm 
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Hmm. You know, all this talk about scrubbing memory and accessing "deleted" data reminds me, if you delete something from a hard drive for example, in most cases the data is actually still there. The "index" markers (you can think of them as flags which help the computer to find files) are simply removed. The data isn't truly gone until some new data is saved to the same space, in which case the new data replaces the old data. So, maybe that's what it is? Cameron still has the data in there, somewhere. However, I don't think it's a very good explanation since it's possible to delete data securely by writing gibberish data over the entire memory, so that the old data is irretrievable. I would assume that someone in the future, especially someone who is supposed to be very technically capable like John to be smart enough to do this. So perhaps John didn't really scrub her as you have suggested, or maybe there is some other explanation for Cameron's "memories".


he have forgotten to erase the File Allocation Table (FAT) :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Question about D&D
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Hmm I don't think Cameron has some version of Windows on it, I believe much more some sort of Unix/Linux. ;) So perhaps he forgot to reset the inode table. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Question about D&D
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he have forgotten to erase the File Allocation Table (FAT) :mrgreen:

A Windows based terminator – now there is a truly terrifying thought :lol:

Anyway we know it can’t be Windows – they only take 120 seconds to reboot. :ugeek:


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 Post subject: Re: Question about D&D
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Like anything that's suppossed to be "terrifyingly advanced" is gonna run on Windows?
cyberdyne must work with some pretty hi-tech stuff that costs an obsene fortune.

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